{"id":4125,"date":"2017-10-18T08:00:20","date_gmt":"2017-10-18T12:00:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/?p=4125"},"modified":"2017-10-18T21:41:45","modified_gmt":"2017-10-19T01:41:45","slug":"5-things-ive-learned-protestants-non-orthodox-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/2017\/10\/18\/5-things-ive-learned-protestants-non-orthodox-people\/","title":{"rendered":"5 Things I&#8217;ve Learned from Protestants (and Other Non-Orthodox People)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2017\/10\/basil-liturgist.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"611\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-4129\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2017\/10\/basil-liturgist.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2017\/10\/basil-liturgist-768x469.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2017\/10\/basil-liturgist-750x458.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><i>Editor&#8217;s Note:  This article is part of an October 2017 series of posts on the Reformation and Protestantism written by O&amp;H authors and guest writers marking the 500th anniversary of the nailing of Martin Luther&#8217;s 95 theses to the church door at Wittenberg on October 31, 1517.  Articles are written by Orthodox Christians and discuss not just the Reformation as a historical event but also the spiritual heritage that descended from it.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 78px;line-height: 52px;float: left;font-family: times\">I<\/span> was raised in the Church, and I thank God for it. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/areopagus\/can_the_orthodox_learn_from_the_non_orthodox\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As far back as I can remember<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, the word \u201cchurch\u201d meant the Orthodox Church; the word \u201cfaith\u201d meant the Orthodox Faith. Orthodoxy was, for a very long time, all I knew. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But every bubble eventually bursts. Like many who <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/areopagus\/are_we_doing_youth_ministry_wrong\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">struggled to navigate the confusing challenges of adolescence and young adulthood<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, my relationship with the Church eroded over time. Orthodoxy may have been all I knew for the longest time, but <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dcTujX3lO5s&amp;t=1889s\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">that wasn\u2019t enough to keep my heart engaged as I drifted through high school<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it certainly wasn\u2019t enough to sustain me once I left home to attend college. My heart proved to be <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dcTujX3lO5s&amp;t=1889s\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">very shallow soil<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and sleeping in on Sunday mornings became easier with every passing week.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=SpTetFokrNg\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I returned to the Church in my later college years<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and am still trying to fully make sense of the experience that inspired me to seek Christ in a way I never had previously. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And, if I may be honest, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/areopagus\/can_the_orthodox_learn_from_the_non_orthodox\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">this search is something that is often nourished by sources outside the Church<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: everything from the arts, to the disciples of personal development, to the lived experience of other faiths.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This openness to what can be learned from other groups and traditions is something quite common in the life of the Church. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sixteen centuries ago, Saint Basil the Great wrote his famous <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KvHrnSKPOQo\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Letter to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. At the time, Christians were torn about whether one could safely read works written by pagans. Would being exposed to stories about a pantheon of false gods, consumed by their own immoral and petty desires, put a young Christian at risk? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In answering, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.tertullian.org\/fathers\/basil_litterature01.htm\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Saint Basil offered a simple metaphor<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For just as bees know how to extract honey from flowers, which to men are agreeable only for their fragrance and color, even so here also those who look for something more than pleasure and enjoyment in such writers may derive profit for their souls. Now, then, altogether after the manner of bees must we use these writings, for the bees do not visit all the flowers without discrimination, nor indeed do they seek to carry away entire those upon which they light, but rather, having taken so much as is adapted to their needs, they let the rest go. So we, if wise, shall take from heathen books whatever befits us and is allied to the truth, and shall pass over the rest. And just as in culling roses we avoid the thorns, from such writings as these we will gather everything useful, and guard against the noxious.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">When dealing with pagan literature we are, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KvHrnSKPOQo\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">just like a bee<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, called to be wise and discriminating: to take only the good nectar and leave the rest behind. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you know me, then \u00a0know that <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLbyQMR-_r8bJTrcWpWxSUPdJHdZJsq_zG\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">the \u201cbe the bee\u201d metaphor has been pretty significant in my life and work<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you know that this metaphor <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/popculture\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">shapes the way I view the world<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, including other traditions (both religious and, for lack of a better word, \u201csecular\u201d).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">With that in mind, I humbly offer five things I have learned from people who are not Orthodox; five things that have proven quite beneficial as I struggle along the difficult road to Christ and His Kingdom.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Why It is Important to Identify Practical Actions<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember the first time I ever held a prayer rope in my hands: I was a child, and had just completed another year of Sunday School. During that year\u2019s graduation ceremony, our teacher called us up one at a time and, after giving us a paper certificate to mark the end of yet another year in the program, placed this strange object in hand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I walked back to my seat confused about what this small, knotted rope was for. When I asked, I received only vague answers: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">you use it when you pray<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ok fine<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, I thought. <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eriCwVOahLM\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But how do I use it?<\/span><\/i><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As you might imagine, I did not end up using it. Instead, I repurposed the prayer rope and turned it into a sort of bracelet: a religious trinket, a reminder of a distant God whom I had no way of encountering.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In time, the prayer rope left my wrist and took up new residence in a drawer somewhere.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eriCwVOahLM\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">A similar thing happened with my first prayer book<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. I received it without instruction, so it became an ornament on my bookshelf; in time a very dusty ornament. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I imagine things could have been different if someone had, in plain and simple terms, taught me what I could do with a prayer rope. I mean, even boxes of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pop Tarts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> have instructions printed on them: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(1) open the package, (2) place pastry in toaster, (3) enjoy!<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eriCwVOahLM\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yet no one ever taught me to be silent<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. No one ever sat with me and taught me to make room in my heart for God. <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=hnaY_2xC_uE\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No one ever showed me<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> how to speak, deliberately and repeatedly, the simple words of the Jesus Prayer. No one ever demonstrated the way a thumb, moving across small woolen knots, could help focus my attention on God Himself: transcendent yet personal, everywhere yet here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is no wonder that, when struggling, people turn to <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/popculture\/tony_robbins_is_not_my_guru\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">the detailed advice of self help books and courses<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. One can only hear <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">pray more<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> only so often, especially when one has no idea how to even begin.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Why We Need to Engage the Culture<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">One evening, while flipping through television channels with my father, he stopped on a black and white program. I was surprised to see, not an old movie, but a rather unique program: a Catholic priest (armed with nothing but a chalkboard, his charm, and a fluent command of Scripture and theology) delivered moving and forceful lessons for a national audience. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">On network television.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Seriously. He even won an Emmy in 1952.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every week, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fulton_J._Sheen\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Father (later Bishop) Fulton J. Sheen<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> spoke directly to as many as 30 million people. Whether speaking on the role of our guardian angels or condemning the atheistic tyranny of the Soviet Union, Bishop Sheen offered moving, at times challenging, orations that gave voice to a deeply Christian ethic. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Despite being scheduled in a time slot dominated by other popular programs, he developed an audience that exceeded expectations. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because people were hungry for a good word. Because people <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=nkMjTCysJd8\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">needed to hear of God\u2019s unwavering love<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because people needed reassurance that, as Bishop Sheen\u2019s program was titled, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Life is Worth Living<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the Church, we sometimes cultivate what I call a <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hipsterdox<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ethic. We enjoy keeping our religious club as obscure, convoluted, and under-the-radar as possible. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It\u2019s hard to imagine a clergyman standing before tens of millions and delivering the Good News of Christ. And we often forget that the most impactful youth worker of the 20th century was <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/politics\/archive\/2015\/11\/mister-rogers-saint\/416838\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">a kindly Presbyterian minister named Fred Rogers<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_nkLcoeCEl0\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The world is hungry for the Gospel<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and we are still arguing about <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TL0BYNUM9pw\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">whether services should be sung in English<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Why We Cannot Forget to Live the Liturgy After the Liturgy<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My parents immigrated to the United States as children. They grew up on poor farms, and ate their daily bread because of the backbreaking labor of sowing and reaping. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=SpTetFokrNg\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My childhood was shaped by their childhoods<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and the experience of my family over untold generations. Growing up in New York, I learned early that I was to work with my mind, not my hands. I was to get educated and secure a job as a professional. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I was reminded of this each and every day: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">study, study, study<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yet, for most of my life, Religious observance followed one unwritten law: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">keep it to Sunday<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">While I worked on homework for hours a day, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=hnaY_2xC_uE\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">prayer was never a part of my daily routine<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. When my family dreamed of the sort of man I would one day become, \u201cfaithful Christian\u201d was never on the list. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that was reflected in the rhythm of the week: six and a half days of hyper-motivated struggle interrupted by a few hours patiently enduring religious obligations. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Liturgy was <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=T-4aG3h5i5Y\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">the thing we did on Sunday mornings<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. It did not even remotely capture anything about the spirit or substance of my daily existence. Life was a challenge, an obstacle race that would one day lead me up the corporate ladder. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Life was not an offering. <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=JN20cpM6zpQ\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Life was not sacramental<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s not to say I was not taught to say my prayers or anything like that. Yet, in retrospect, there was a clear divide between <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=bNNy39I5YuI&amp;t=26s\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">sacred<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">secular<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> halves of my life<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">; though these two portions were far from evenly split. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Life was about getting ahead, not getting into heaven. It was about living the American dream, not <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vsq73Be9OjM&amp;t=3s\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">dreaming of God\u2019s Kingdom<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Which is a great shame. Because both my grandmothers had a faith that some could (in fact, some would), superficially, dismiss as \u201cProtestant.\u201d The name of Jesus was always on their lip. And they were constantly asking the Lord for His mercy, or giving God His glory. <\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Why We Must Maintain Proper Boundaries<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before going to seminary, I was a practicing attorney. The two years I spent at a top law firm, doing complex work with disciplined and brilliant people, helped shape my expectations about what is (and is not) acceptable in a professional setting. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember the firm hosted a panel discussion on work life balance. Several partners offered their thoughts on how to best navigate the personal and professional challenges we would face. One in particular was very blunt: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">we expect you to work hard and be great at your job; but we do not expect you to put this job before your family<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was reassuring. It was healthy. It was protective of the integrity of human lives and relationships. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Unfortunately, I have seen some terrible boundary violations in the Church: volunteers pressured to give more and more time until they burn out; people, both clergy and laity, who berate and harass people for whom they are responsible (sometimes even during the celebration of the Liturgy itself); resources squandered without accountability; Church workers (both clergy and laity) underpaid and overworked with little concern for their spiritual and emotional health. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In my own professional life, I have only been verbally abused once, at it was while working for the Church. I was on the receiving end of a profanity-laced, aggressive verbal tirade that lasted almost thirty minutes. When I reported this gross mistreatment, which happened to be the work of a clergyman, I was told that I needed to get over it and move on. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Working in ministry is hard enough as it is. Our struggle should not be exacerbated by the sort of conduct which would not be tolerated in any other setting. <\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Why We Need to Always Put Jesus First<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every month, I am blessed to travel to different parishes for <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.y2am.org\/beetreats\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Be the Bee<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> themed retreats<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> (<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">BeeTreats<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> for short). We begin each BeeTreat with a workshop on silence and prayer, and end by praying for each other out loud. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I will ask participants if anyone has a struggle they need to offer to God. When someone shares such a burden, I ask if anyone will pray and lift it up to God. When someone raises his hand, I will ask that person to pray. The person will usually nod or say \u201csure,\u201d and then look away. I will then clarify: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">offer a prayer to God now, with your words, here with us all<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Participants are usually confused. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pray? Out loud? Now? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was going to add this name to my prayer list\u2026maybe. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yet I have noticed that the participants who are most comfortable actually addressing God, of speaking into the silence and trusting in the Lord\u2019s presence, are students who have attended Protestant youth groups. They are happy to lift up the sick and the struggling, or simply offering thanks for a blessing. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Students formed by Orthodox youth groups tend to be far less comfortable actually talking to God as if He is really there. Sometimes they will even offer a word of encouragement to the person who needs prayer, speaking to them rather than to God. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is an interesting sign of the way our Christianity is somehow lost or forgotten, of the way our programs and events turn out people who are unwilling (or unable) to actually relate to God. <\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Conclusion<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My relationship with Christ still needs a lot of work, and my understanding of the mystery of the Church still has a lot of room to grow. As I try to keep my eyes on Christ, and keep marching towards His Kingdom, I am happy for any help I can get.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sometimes, that help comes from non-Orthodox sources. Sometimes, I am most inspired (or most convicted) by the courage or discipline or even piety of someone who has not been formed by the traditions of the Church. Yet seeing these things <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KvHrnSKPOQo\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">with the eyes of a bee<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> can reveal Christ at work in potentially unexpected ways, and give us the clarity and purpose to rise to the level set by those who have run the race before us.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Editor&#8217;s Note: This article is part of an October 2017 series of posts on the Reformation and Protestantism written by O&amp;H authors and guest writers marking the 500th anniversary of the nailing of Martin Luther&#8217;s 95 theses to the church door at Wittenberg on October 31, 1517. 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