{"id":1877,"date":"2013-06-25T11:43:43","date_gmt":"2013-06-25T15:43:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/?p=1877"},"modified":"2013-06-25T11:43:43","modified_gmt":"2013-06-25T15:43:43","slug":"a-premodern-sacramental-eclectic-evangelicals-reaching-for-tradition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/2013\/06\/25\/a-premodern-sacramental-eclectic-evangelicals-reaching-for-tradition\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;A Premodern Sacramental Eclectic&#8221;?: Evangelicals Reaching for Tradition"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size:60px;line-height:36px;float:left;font-family:times\">A<\/span>n Evangelical friend who is interested in Orthodoxy sent <a href=\"http:\/\/brianzahnd.com\/2013\/06\/a-premodern-sacramental-eclectic\/\">this link<\/a> to me:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ten years ago I was a poverty-stricken Christian\u2026and I didn\u2019t even know it. My poverty was theological and it was the sad consequence of my arrogant sectarianism. By restricting my Christianity to the narrow confines of modern charismatic evangelicalism I suffered from a self-inflicted theological poverty. I needed the riches of the whole church. I needed to be able to draw upon the broad spectrum of Christian thinkers and theologians, mystics and writers. I needed to become eclectic in my approach to Christianity. A Christianity that is sufficiently broad and eclectic liberates us from an arrogant and impoverished sectarianism.<\/p>\n<p>In my youthful arrogance (the word I really want to use is stupidity) I effectively defined and limited Christianity to my kind of Christianity \u2014 a charismatic flavored evangelicalism. As far as I was concerned, most Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, and mainline Protestants needed to \u201cget saved\u201d \u2014 which is to say, they needed to become my \u201cstyle\u201d of Christian. There were times in my twenties and thirties when I was particularly antagonistic toward Catholics and mainline Protestants. I thought Catholics belonged to the \u201cwhore of Babylon\u201d and mainliners were all \u201cliberal goats.\u201d How egotistical! How stupid! I\u2019m ashamed of all that now. I have repented. Which means I\u2019ve called my former attitude sinful and changed my mind \u2014 I simply don\u2019t think that way anymore.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Go ahead and read <a href=\"http:\/\/brianzahnd.com\/2013\/06\/a-premodern-sacramental-eclectic\/\">the full article<\/a>. It&#8217;s well worth it.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been getting more and more interested in how some Evangelicals are appropriating elements of historic Christian tradition, mainly from the Roman Catholic and Orthodox traditions. It&#8217;s part of an ongoing movement of Evangelical self-criticism, which is something I believe Orthodox Christians need to pay attention to and even (tactfully and where appropriate) offer some guidance to.<\/p>\n<p>In this particular piece, pastor and author Brian Zahnd speaks of how he has been getting out of his &#8220;self-inflicted theological poverty&#8221; by reaching beyond the &#8220;sectarianism&#8221; of Evangelical Protestantism. It&#8217;s really exciting to me to see Evangelicals speaking in this way, because I think one of the biggest difficulties with modern Evangelicalism is that most Evangelicals are simply <i>unaware<\/i> that there are Christians who aren&#8217;t Evangelicals, and they most have never actually engaged theology beyond that world.<\/p>\n<p>I remember when I was an Evangelical myself, I only had a vague idea that, outside of our world, there were &#8220;boring&#8221; Christians like Lutherans and Presbyterians and that there were also Roman Catholics, who certainly weren&#8217;t Christians (though there might be &#8220;real&#8221; Christians somewhere in the Roman Catholic Church, in spite of what their church taught and practiced). Orthodox Christians didn&#8217;t exist.<\/p>\n<p>But there are still serious theological problems with the &#8220;eclectic&#8221; that Zahnd proposes, and this approach therefore doesn&#8217;t actually carry him beyond the Evangelicalism he is trying to transcend. The biggest problem is still ecclesiology\u2014he presumes that Anglicans, Catholics and Orthodox are all part of the Church just as much as he is. But none of those groups (assuming traditional Anglicanism here) would acknowledge Zahnd&#8217;s church as being part of the One Church. He has presumed the denominationalist ecclesiology: everyone disagrees about doctrine and practice yet still is part of the One Church.<\/p>\n<p>And because of this ecclesiological problem, the &#8220;eclectic&#8221; collapses in on itself. How do you determine which doctrines are actually true? What mediates between them? Is it just what Zahnd happens to like from Francis of Assisi or Origen or Athanasius or Cranmer? One has to presume that the individual is supreme in separating out orthodoxy from heterodoxy. Zahnd doesn&#8217;t like venerating Mary or a celibate, male priesthood, but on what authority does he reject them?<\/p>\n<p>The underlying problem here is actually that most Evangelicalism just <i>lacks<\/i> a lot of theology, not that it thinks it&#8217;s right (&#8220;sectarian&#8221;). Because of the strong focus on individualized decisions-for-Christ, so much of what else has been contemplated by the older Christian traditions just isn&#8217;t even on the radar for most Evangelicals. So it makes sense that Zahnd wants to reach beyond Evangelicalism for answers to questions that it may have only recently occurred to him to ask. But what happens if he really embraces those answers is that he essentially just becomes a new kind of Protestant or he has to embrace a whole tradition and actually convert to something else.<\/p>\n<p>May God bless him and everyone like him who seeks to broaden their theological horizons.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An Evangelical friend who is interested in Orthodoxy sent this link to me: Ten years ago I was a poverty-stricken Christian\u2026and I didn\u2019t even know it. My poverty was theological and it was the sad consequence of my arrogant sectarianism. By restricting my Christianity to the narrow confines of modern charismatic evangelicalism I suffered from a self-inflicted theological poverty. 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