{"id":1840,"date":"2013-05-23T09:07:38","date_gmt":"2013-05-23T13:07:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/?p=1840"},"modified":"2013-05-23T09:07:38","modified_gmt":"2013-05-23T13:07:38","slug":"did-pope-francis-say-everyone-will-be-saved-by-doing-good","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/orthodoxyandheterodoxy\/2013\/05\/23\/did-pope-francis-say-everyone-will-be-saved-by-doing-good\/","title":{"rendered":"Did Pope Francis say everyone will be saved by doing good?"},"content":{"rendered":"

E<\/span>normous theological ignorance and bad reading exploded onto the scene this week:<\/p>\n

Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n

(An earlier version had this headline: “Pope Francis Says All Who Do Good Are Redeemed – Atheists included.”)<\/p>\n

(Huffington Post<\/a>) Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don’t believe will be redeemed, and the Pope’s words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That supposedly correctly interprets remarks<\/a> made by Pope Francis:<\/p>\n

\u201cThey complain,\u201d the Pope said in his homily, because they say, \u201cIf he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.\u201d And Jesus corrects them: \u201cDo not hinder him, he says, let him do good.\u201d The disciples, Pope Francis explains, \u201cwere a little intolerant,\u201d closed off by the idea of \u200b\u200bpossessing the truth, convinced that \u201cthose who do not have the truth, cannot do good.\u201d \u201cThis was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.\u201d Pope Francis said, \u201cThe root of this possibility of doing good \u2013 that we all have \u2013 is in creation.”<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

“The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. \u2018But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.\u2019 Yes, he can… “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! \u2018Father, the atheists?\u2019 Even the atheists. Everyone!”.. We must meet one another doing good. \u2018But I don\u2019t believe, Father, I am an atheist!\u2019 But do good: we will meet one another there.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

First, I should note that I do not think any Orthodox Christian should have any problem with what Francis is quoted as saying here. Why?<\/p>\n

Well, first, this is not universalism. It might appear to be so if you don’t know that there is a difference in traditional Christian theology between being saved and being redeemed. The redemption that Christ accomplished through the incarnation, cross and resurrection was for all of human nature, and so it is quite correct to say “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ.” Redemption is something that happens for human nature, which is why all will be resurrected in the end and why all are capable of doing good.<\/p>\n

But that is not the same thing as saying that all will be saved, and it certainly isn’t saying that everyone will be saved by doing good. It’s not even saying that everyone will be redeemed by doing good. Salvation, in distinction from redemption, is centered on the individual person, not on the whole of human nature. Salvation is what the individual person does with the redemption that Christ has given to all, and it involves much more than simply doing good.<\/p>\n

But Francis holds out the possibility here for an encounter, that we may “meet one another” when good is done, by whoever it may be done. And he is absolutely correct. All good is from God, so even an atheist\u2014even an anti-theist\u2014who does good is in some sense participating in God’s goodness by virtue of his redemption by Christ and remaining created according to the image of God. But that doesn’t mean he is saved.<\/p>\n

The headline for this piece and much of the writing has this all quite backwards. The capability of doing good is an effect of redemption, not its cause, and salvation is also another possibility because of that redemption. Someone may be redeemed and not be saved. Someone may be redeemed and not do good. Someone may also be redeemed, do good and yet not be saved.<\/p>\n

The writer and many readers are not only theologically illiterate, but they are not even reading what Francis said. One does not need to know that redemption and salvation are two different things to see that his emphasis here is on who is capable of doing good\u2014not who is redeemed or saved\u2014and that he’s not at all saying that redemption or salvation are the result of doing good.<\/p>\n

The lessons here are twofold: know your terms and read what is actually said.<\/p>\n

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Update:<\/b> Here’s a good piece of analysis on this from a Roman Catholic viewpoint: Friends Don\u2019t Let HuffPo Writers Do Theology<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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